And he told me to shut up, they would show me. daughter. Letting an older gay guy blow you hardly amounts to being gay oneself and certainly does not suggest that one is some kind of street hustler. QUESTION: How loud were you playing your stereo? ANSWER: I purchased a TV dinner and some cigarettes and some Pepsi-Cola. MR. BUGLIOSI: I have here a closer-up photograph showing the front side of the residence. ANSWER: I dont understand what you mean. William Garretson. ANSWER: Yes. He should've known. Magic lives in them. This person has not replied to me. I'd at least take the bus with some of my Camaro money. And check out Billy's answer to the last question. Criminal penalty. Rest in peace, Billy. Billy tells Bugliosi in courtthat he moved out of Cielo Dr. on August 9th. I show you Peoples 21 for identification. Do you know what is depicted in that photo? This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. QUESTION: When Mr. Parent made this phone call, did you hear him talking to anyone on the other end of the line? There would always be twenty or thirty dollars more and like she wasn't what they call a 'flatback' but she was a hustling girl." Casparius Garretson, Jr. son. QUESTION: When you called around dawn, you say the line was dead, is that correct? These cookies do not store any personal information. On July 26, 1970, William Garretson, called as a witness by and on behalf of the People of the State of California v. Charles Manson. QUESTION: Have you ever seen them prior to today? Didn't know Billy had it in him. Focusing on Garretson's immediate past, as one who survived the murders without a physical scratch, was part of that game and therefore, Bugliosi and Stovitz were of a mind to shut down quickly any loopholes.They also had their ammunition to counter the defence deflection; what Astrocreep refers to as "death by a thousand cuts." How and why were you staying up all night every night? Death by electrocution. I did not know who Every young person loves living at home after they become adults. Warrington Township. Is this the entrance here? And if so, why would he go to Los Angeles and not San Francisco? QUESTION: The next day was a Sunday, August 10th, isnt that right? I figured because I had trouble with the phone I had trouble with the phone about a month prior. He described Garretson as everybody's friend, and a nice, quiet guy. QUESTION: is this the walk that you took back to the guest house? When Mrs. Polanski came back, yes, it was there. 11th Grade. Their son was born with a heart condition and he ended up dying after his third open-heart surgery. He also had been passing lie detector tests. QUESTION: I take it that he eventually left your guest house? Speculation and theories about Garretson suggest he was using drugs and an arresting officer said, he looked gone no life in his eyes. It was quite strange but not in the way you are describing. May it be marked Peoples 22 for identification? Before we get motoring, I want to assert that one indisputable truth in this whole big Charles Manson milieu is that the road is littered with children no one gave a shit about and often hurt. - Helter Skelter (1976) as William Garretson - The Chicken Chronicles (1977) as Tom - More American Graffiti (1979) as Ron - Running Scared (1986) as Det. Technology is all we have anymore if you think about it. QUESTION: And you were under the employ of one Rudi Altobelli, correct? --Who paid the fee for Billy's high priced lawyer, and why?--How did Billy manage to avoid the draft? QUESTION: Would it be unusual for you to see a number of people, lets say 7 or 8 guests or acquaintances in the vicinity of the main house near the pool area, or in the pool area, in the Arguably, the aftershocks of August 8, 1969, killed him long before he died. ANSWER: No. Perhaps in the spring I can find a way to bring Pearce into all of this.they'll umm surely love it. Charlie could be speaking of time with extended family when he's mentioning his hillbilly highlights just before this passage, but Kathleen had two sisters and a brother. MR. BUGLIOSI: I have here another photograph showing the front side of the residence. Billy possibly had one lucky day in his entire life and you know when I mean. QUESTION: Approximately how far is the couch from the door? QUESTION: In other words, there would be an interlude of about 6 seconds between the time you heard the dogs bark and the time that the person knocked on your door, is that correct? We're getting ahead of ourselves. QUESTION: You were carrying something in your hand, right? This is cross-examination. A couple thousand? For classmates and the ex-wife of William Garretson, a Lancaster native. I'd say, "Gimme the straight dope, Billy. We don't have much information about He's past relationship and any previous engaged. "Uncle Bill had no teeth"Uncle Bill was an engineer on the B&O RR and in his early 40's at the oldest. Brother of John Garretson; Ann Griest; James Garretson, I; Content . QUESTION: And you have been there ever since? One I would have liked to ask Bill would be one that G&W has echoed here. Have you ever heard of a caretaker sharing the use of a private pool with his rich neighbors, aka the paying tenants, who live across the walk and can see him swimming? QUESTION: So this shows a portion of the guest house, is that correct? QUESTION: And they didnt keep accurate time? If you haven't read the Bill (and one post labeled William) Garretson posts on the right, you should. 7 Nov 2021Sunday If anyone is on West Coast time or stays up later in other time zones and wants to hang out tonight, I'm a guest host on The Paulcast tonight at 730 pm PST. One can hear neighbors talking on the phone at a normal conversational voice level quite clearly from incredibly far away, depending on the weather and other conditions. Your Resource for the Tate-LaBianca (TLB) Murders. ANSWER: No. William Garretson born 11 Mar 1748, married to Mary Wethersed 3. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOxfXLe8Y8p7RVwPUaHWtCgMy discussion will center on unique perspectives, research methodologies, and cognitive dissonance in the Manson study. QUESTION: Isnt it a fact that you heard Christopher barking loudly approximately 2 or 3 hours after Mr. Parent left your home? Sarah Wickersham. An Army wife, pageant mom, and beauty salon owner, Doris Tate went on to become a leading voice in the victims' rights movement, founding COVER, . Billy says in his. QUESTION: The next afternoon at approximately 4:25 in the afternoon, did you have a conversation with some police officers? Garretson, then 19 and fresh from Ohio, served as caretaker and. QUESTION: This is the only other time that you had seen him prior to this evening? The trauma of what William witnessed led him to turn down multiple interview offers with the press that would have given him hundreds of thousands of dollars. QUESTION: Now, when you were up during the night listening to the stereo and writing letters, were you in the living room? But first, where was Billy before the dog watching gig that came with free rides from Folger family members? QUESTION: Which entrance did you use when you came back with your TV dinner? Somewhere around there. QUESTION: And you had a TV dinner in the other? Her employer, Gray Drug, was founded in Cleveland, Ohio, in 1912. We will update William Garretson's Height, weight, Body Measurements, Eye Color, Hair Color, Shoe & Dress size soon as possible. This person has not replied to me.Beside my interest in what I call the "lost months" of William Garretson, between October 1968 and Mid-March 1969, I am also fascinated with what Bill did not hear about 12:40am on August 9, 1969.Although it has been hotly debated, I am of the belief that Tim Ireland heard none other than Voytek Frykowski as he screamed out in the night. Garretson again reassured police that he had heard nothing because he had been listening to music all night. As someone with a strange interest in peripheral characters, i've previously looked up Darrel Kistler, Patty Maloney, Debra Tidwell, Roy Plank et al, but does anyone know who Tom and Dave, the gardening brothers, were?Tom, who had a Mustang, would occasionally park up by the gates with a girl. Two were my parents (rimshot). ANSWER: No. !Two seriously insane (and, frighteningly, stereotypical - in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE ) toothless Gypsy women had been/were taking turns on him as if Justin was a young Bill Garretson!! I think maybe you are confusing your cognitions with some sort of notion about "the truth.". I'll take his mom's story at face value. Justin was a scrawny but tough little reprobate and, he was almost ALWAYS a dream to manage on the road. He passed away in 2016 after a battle with cancer, two years before Charles Manson would meet his demise in prison. William Garretsons income source is mostly from being a successful Actor. These folks who made things happen/attended the show were made up of people who were aged 2yrs old to 90yrs old!The gentleman who eventually paid us pulled us aside and gave us the lowdown about the places that we were emphatically told to avoid (robbery, pickpockets, Gypsies, hard drugs, mentally unstable people who refused to accept professional care, kidnappers, etc). MR. BUGLIOSI: I have here another photograph, Your Honor, showing a portion of a residence. I lived in LA in 1969, in Leucadia and then in Orange County. QUESTION: Did you go outside and look around? MR. BUGLIOSI: You may resume the witness stand, sir. Star, I've often wondered if the car was a graduation present, and that, even if Bill sold it, the money may have been his, or at least a portion of it?Grim, for me what Bill was doing for the months before August 8 is simply background. Personally I thought she was most effective low in the mix. Doug, that was way nice. QUESTION: Again, did you pay any particular attention to that? Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site. QUESTION: And from 12:15 until 4:00, 4:30 or 5:00, you did what? QUESTION: What were your duties out there on the premises? I definitely remember Billy's sleeping thru a bj story but the train part is for stronger minds lol. By using this site you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. ANSWER: They are usually inside when they are barking. A little while later, the woman of the house calls my friend on his personal phone and demands he fire the driver or they're done doing business together. QUESTION: You did not hear any shots or anything like that? I was more of a cider/spirits guy and, I was never, ever so thoroughly embarrassed drinking as I was on this tour and I was almost always the one who could outdrink pretty much anyonenot this tour and, especially NOT ON THIS DAY!After a few hours of ridiculously stupid drinking we realized that we were missing a guitarist. There appears to be an object there on the seat. QUESTION: You have heard of the Spahn Movie Ranch or you havent heard of the Spahn Movie Ranch? QUESTION: Did you fall asleep around dawn at all? QUESTION: And their name was Vargas, is that correct? QUESTION: In a sack. I've been in that canyon more times that I care to remember. I am in possession of what purports to be a transcript of an interview with Mr. Garretson at 4:25 pm, on August 10th, 1969, where this witness was asked about the events that took place on August 8th and 9th. It's not worth a lot today but nothing on the river is really. I'm scared of everything. At 59, he is a big-rig truck driver. May it be marked Peoples next in order? You consent to our use of cookies if you continue to use this site. and, hung out with Billy at the Cielo pool and, guesthouse. Certainly getting busted could have been used as a lever to get Garretson to cooperate. MR. STOVITZ: With the permission of the Court, counsel stated we can mark that. Early 60's. The first inflation calculator that pops up on Google has that $20 or $30 for going to bed with someone for money while not being a "flatback" puts us more or less in the $300-$500 range from 1942 when she leaves prison thru 1946. Gimme an effin break. Sometimes I feel like William Eston Garretson Jr. is Charles Watson's ninth victim. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. Billy died in 2016. I went down Im not sure I usually do different things every day. Is that the stereo about which you were referring earlier in your testimony? ANSWER: Just July and August? Maybe he tried women's wigs first and failed. QUESTION: All right, when were you released? Billy, how'd you meet that mobster? I'm thinking about taking a road trip to Billy's grave this week, touching the headstone, and telling him I hope he's found some peace. And over the years I've been following this blog we have had any number of inchoate, inarticulate and frequently obscene babblings which are best left uncommented. We have estimated QUESTION: This is the person that you saw from a distance on the premises? QUESTION: Now, there are 4 entrances to the guest house, correct? Then three years later . QUESTION: Is that the entrance you customarily use for ingress and egress? He said he was not advised of his right to remain silent until several hours after his arrest. I was sharing my experiences in SoCal canyon settings and relating them to the verbiage in the opening of the HS book and the police reports those comments were based on. Billy's story should reinforce that belief if you already have it. 'Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark' Spoilers That Will Keep You up at Night, The Dysfunctional Roy Family in Succession Might've Been Inspired by These Real Families, Netflix's 'Resident Evil' Show Has Survival Horror Fans Seriously Excited. QUESTION: And you were then transported later that afternoon, Saturday afternoon, downtown to the main Los Angeles Police Department, correct? Lancaster is famous for General William Tecumseh Sherman. He was the homosexual that Charles mentioned in a interview that sold him drugs and pornography on several occasions. Serious Thinner and face eating bath salt zombies imagery. Thought provoking comments today, sir. William Garretson was born on August 24, 1949 in Lancaster, Ohio. QUESTION: Now, Mr. Parent came to the guest house, did you engage in some conversations? ANSWER: I cannot recall the officers name or anything, that I spoke with. QUESTION: For the sake of the record, was that Sharon Polanski? People may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. Try to lead the proceedings down blind alleys. The Real Housewives of Atlanta The Bachelor Sister Wives 90 Day Fiance Wife Swap The Amazing Race Australia Married at First Sight The Real Housewives of Dallas My 600-lb Life Last Week Tonight with John . Star, as I recall, Bill discussed the marijuana charge with LAPD during his interview, and just before the polygraph examination. Like so many of the souls trapped within this dark miasma, you never had a chance. Billy was about to turn twenty and return to the heartland when August 8th happened. Frykowski needn't have been "screaming" as suggested to be heard down below. Local resident adds 'strange' details about gory Manson killing spree, From the archives: Mother thinks son couldn't be killer, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. Anything I recall is freely available out there to anyone. Casparus Garretson and his wife lived at Mill Creek Hundred, New Castle, De. Scrolling through the labels along the right side of the blog reveals that this is the thirteenth time blog writers have mentioned Billy (and remembered to make a label). he was or anything. The orders are so large that my friend's company delivers in a big diesel reefer truck that typically backs onto loading docks. Doug,I wish I could help with the Patty dialogue but don't recall ever seeing it. ANSWER: Well, he might have been in Italy, in Europe, yes. QUESTION: What time was it that you actually went to bed, went to sleep that is? "I doubt anyone in history ever slept thru a hummer before but what do I know? QUESTION: Is the button near the telephone pole where I am pointing now? Do you know what is shown in that photograph? I dont know. QUESTION: When you went out earlier in the evening, you went down to Turners Drug Store, right? QUESTION: What one of the dogs was he, or which one of the dogs? QUESTION: Do you recall whether it was on #4 during the night? QUESTION: You were taking care of the dogs in his absence? ANSWER: Well, 2 weeks before the incident happened, he gave me a ride up Sunset to the house where I lived. Buntline, yes thanks. I just thought with all the time that'd passed, Billy probably had his stories under lock and key in his noggin. He was likely a longtime sufferer of PTSD that he disastrously self-treated. It was a Friday night. QUESTION: Had you seen him on the premises? This was at the urging of, Author of the More to the Story true crime nonfiction series. QUESTION: Would you indicate, sir, on the diagram where the couch was in relation to that stereo? MR. FITZGERALD: By way of an offer of proof I am in possession of what purports to be a transcript of an interview with Mr. Garretson at 4:25 pm, on August 10th, 1969, where this witness was asked about the events that took place on August 8th and 9th. He is currently single. QUESTION: All right, from the guest house . I'm probably just trying to say that Billy was most likely more ingratiated that many people believe. I thought I'd try to add some paint to the outline already laid down herein and elsewhere. There's no way he could do that because of his personality and how nice he was. Both work for me but I lean early. He met property owner Rudy Altobelli the previous spring and Altobelli invited Garretson to stay in the guesthouse and work as the caretaker. But we are in the place where no sense makes sense. There are many hustlers in LA right now who never reach those heights. I tried to find her but was unsuccessful. His buddy Darrell, home from Vietnam, visited but Garretson kicked him out when he saw Darrell take bottles of champagne during one of the Polanskis house parties that summer. Everyone had teeth when they were young. QUESTION: You were carrying a carton of Coca-Cola in one hand? QUESTION: All you can say is that they normally barked about 6 seconds before the visitor arrived, is that correct? We have had (and still have) quite a few posters who write clearly and effectively (it would be invidious to single out anyone in particular). QUESTION: I notice there is a little walk right here? Somewhat related, when they ask Billy during his polygraph if he ever had sex with a man, and Billy replies that he has, I notice that many researchers harmonize that statement with the blowjob tale. Check out cielodrive.com. ANSWER: Writing letters and listening to the stereo. ANSWER: I didnt wind them, no. The people who served in Vietnam did so before their time in Manson land---Flynn, TJ the Terrible, etc. He had little or no money and was freshly unemployed. I'm pretty sure I'll never forget your story. ANSWER: I think it is a clock radio that he had brought with him. You might think Billy was from the sticks and in a way you're right but his hometown of Lancaster, Ohio, is also basically becoming a distant burb of the state capital these days. 9:45 am Monday. QUESTION: In other words, you were hitchhiking? His father, William, died in 1792, and after that most . Shoutout to Linda up in Heaven for her kindness. QUESTION: Do you recall if there were any lights inside the Polanskis residence? QUESTION: You did not think that was unusual or peculiar? Martin Sr.'s wife, Anna Marie, also passed away in 1875 at the age of 56 due to winter fever. ANSWER: I wrote a few letters and listened to the stereo. ANSWER: Around 8:00 pm, I went down to Sunset Boulevard. Garretson polygraph interview - "I used to have a '68 camaro when i lived in Ohio, but i sold it before i came out to california". I think you have the right to go into it if there is any possibility of impeaching. MR. KANAREK: I object on the grounds of hearsay, Your Honor. If I think I remember something, I'll fact-check it just to make sure, and then proceed from there.When it comes to this case, I find that a fairly common occurrence is taking the tiniest point or anomaly and making the most of it. QUESTION: Are you familiar with .22 caliber pistols? Two quick reactions, one to the piece and one to a comment above . She was Billy's second wife. It wasnt very loud, you know. And I asked them what was wrong? QUESTION: Did you ever see what appeared to be parties in the evening in the location of the pool? QUESTION: And you had been so employed since approximately mid-March of 1969, through and including August the 9th, is that correct? I didn't know other drugstores existed for the first twelve years of my life. In late July of 1969, Steve picked up 19-year-old William Garretson hitchhiking in Beverly Hills. Its available in other places as well. QUESTION: There appears to be a stereo in the far left corner of this photograph. QUESTION: By the pool of the Polanski residence? MR. STOVITZ: Did you say a chilly TV dinner? If you do not agree, please immediately exit the service. QUESTION: Do you recall it being brisk, or did it appear to be a typical August evening? ANSWER: I decided to go back to the guest cottage where I lived. Ann Garretson born 22 Feb 1750 4. I mean the main house. QUESTION: Lets stretch it and say Ireland is Europe. Torque said Bill Garretson did get charged for posession of marijuana in LATorque, do you remember where you read that? When he was there, he said he'd been up two nights solid {no pun intended} and he had no awareness of any sexual activity. ANSWER: Yes, there is. William Garretson Browne, age 90, passed peacefully after a long illness surrounded by his dedicated wife, four sons and brother in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio on August 31, 2017. Definitely ask the others because this brain is mush. He later married Linda Derr, and the pair had a son together. QUESTION: Do you remember the day, August 8th, 1969, a Friday? I'm calling bs on that one. He stated in connection with questions about dogs barking that: It was about 2 or 3 hours after he left, referring to Steven Parent, somewhere around there, that is when I looked out in the yard. Please accept the unpaid researcher position I offer in the future. However, in a 1990s documentary about Sharon Tates death, Garretson changed his story and stated that he heard what sounded like firecrackers being thrown from Steven Parents car and thought it was a prank pulled by Parent, who had just departed. MR. BUGLIOSI: No further questions, Your Honor. He was arrested and questioned for murder, then released from jail two days later. Garretson was not the only central Ohio connection to Manson, who was a Cincinnati native and spent 1952 to 1954 in Chillicothe Correctional Institution. Revenge. !Completely grossed out we finally bartered Justin's sad sack ass for 6 smokes! Lovely digs. Isnt that correct? He was the caretaker of the Polanski residence, 10050 Cielo Drive in Benedict Canyon. Bill Garretson, on the other hand, hears nothing of the scream from the guesthouse, even though he is but a few yards away. MR. FITZGERALD: Finished with me by 4:15? QUESTION: Try to speak up a little more loudly, sir. QUESTION: Later on in the early morning hours? QUESTION: Do you recall what you were listening to in the guest house, on the stereo? Do you know what is shown in that photograph? ANSWER: Around the walk to the guest house, its in front, way in front is the guest house. I really could not say. He is not dating anyone. !And, that ALMOST answers your query - "I doubt anyone in history ever slept thru a hummer before but what do I know? They said the more recent murders of a grocery chain owner Leno La Bianca, 44, and his wife Rosemary, 37, were those of a psychotic cashing in on the publicity of the so-called Tate murders. I tried to locate Linda when I was gathering information for this post but I was too late. I have a friend who is a flower wholesaler. Maybe two counting when the police let him go. I mean, not the line, the phone was dead. ANSWER: They would start to barking well, it would take about 6 seconds before the visitor would come to the door. She's from the same general area down by the river, (Ironton) She even has a similar back story, was abandoned in a bar as a baby by her prostitute birth mom, raised by others, etc. We hitched or walked everywhere, everyone did. Or computer by now. Garretson, a 1967 Lancaster High graduate, was 19 years old and working as a caretaker at actress Sharon Tate's home at the time of her murder, along with six others. Okay, you got me. I didnt keep track who came in and who left. Randy Groff, Lancaster City Council member, knew Garretson as far back as elementary school. QUESTION: Without telling me what he said, did Mr. Parent ask you well, without telling me the nature what was said in the conversation, did you have a discussion with Mr. Parent Even more shocking, was their discovery of 19 year old William Garretson, of the Lancaster, Ohio area, sitting unharmed and shirtless on a couch in the guesthouse. Marvin was bigger in '67. QUESTION: At any time on the 8th or 9th, did you look out of the guest house in the direction of the main house? She's never talked much about her bio family. QUESTION: What is shown in that photograph? Quick story. "My husband, I really don't think anybody in the area here, never gave him a chance of day," Linda Derr, Garretson's ex-wife said. QUESTION: Did he own the premises as far as you know? QUESTION: Was it shortly after Mr. Parent left? Actually we (or Bill at least) was in a place called the 1960s', where hitch-hiking was regarded as a pretty normal way to get around for many young people. Linda and Billy were on the same high school yearbook page together. At this show there was a third band that was going to play between our support band and us.The three of us and our puny crew and, our 3 bus drivers got down to some pretty serious drinking starting around 11am. William Place. Conviction (s) Murder.
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